Posts Tagged ‘Canadian 60m Operations’

So whats happening on 60m??

October 15, 2012

Did I miss something???

I remember that IC was allowing us to apply for experimental Licences for the 60m band… I also remember hearing that lots sending in their applications….

I also remember listening ( cause I did not apply) to Russ causing one heck of a pile up once a Canadian Station was spotted on the cluster but I have heard little since…

Also seem to have missed all those who took the time to apply telling us  about the great conditions on this new band.  Has this turned into a non event?

Just to refresh your memory…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60-meter_band

http://va3qv.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/some-info-from-industry-canada-on-the-60m-developmental-band/

http://60mband.blogspot.ca/2012/04/canada-on-5mhz-by-paul-g4mwo.html

So just wondering…

73bob

Some 60m info from the RAC Bulletin Service

May 15, 2012

The following was found in my email inbox this am.  Although it would be to your advantage to sign up for this RAC service just in case you do not I feel its important enough for me to share it with you here…

RAC Bulletin 2012-026E – 60 metre Consultation Bulletin 2012-05-14


As of May 12th, Industry Canada has begun the consultation process to see final approval for the use of six channels on the 60 metre band.

As part of the consultation, Industry Canada is seeking input on five items. RAC feels it is important for amateur radio operators to comment on this proposal and indicate their preference for the rules governing the frequencies going forward. The five items are explained below.
Item One: Should Industry Canada allow amateur radio operators the use of five frequencies that are harmonized with the US on a no-protection, no-interference basis? These channels are 5332kHz, 5348kHz, 5358.5kHz, 5373kHz, 5405kHz. Transmissions would be limited to a 2.8Khz bandwidth centered on these frequencies.
– The obvious answer to Item One is that as amateur radio operators, these additional frequencies are needed for additional emergency communication capacity and having harmonization on frequency with the US will allow for cross border operation. Item Two: Should Industry Canada harmonize the emission modes and designators on these five channels? In the US they are limited to telephony, data, RTTY and CW.
- In Item Two, IC asks if the operating modes should be the same as the US on the five harmonized channels.

It was assumed prior to consultation that this was not optional but in the consultation, it appears that input will be taken on this item. However in the proposed revisions to RBR-4, these designators are in place. Unless reason is shown to not harmonize this item, it will likely be implemented.

Item Three: Should Industry Canada specify a maximum radiated power of 100 watts peak envelope power?
-Again, in Item Three, IC asks if there should be harmonization on the output power on the five channels. In the US, the FCC has limited transmit power to 100 watts. In the proposed revisions to RBR-4, these designators are in place. Unless reason is shown to not harmonize this item, it will likely be implemented.
Item Four: Should Industry Canada allow Canadian amateurs access to the 5329kHz channel? Transmissions would be restricted to 2.8 kHz centered on this frequency.


In Item Four, IC asks if they should allow a sixth, Canadian only channel. Originally, RAC had requested two Canadian only channels but one was found to be un-useable. RAC recommends Canadian Amateurs support the allotment of a sixth channel.
Item Five: Should Industry Canada specify emission designators and peak power for this sixth channel? If so, what would those be?


-Given that the channel referred to in Item Five is domestic only there is little need to harmonize emission types with the US. RAC recommends that as few limits as possible be placed upon the sixth channel to encourage development of domestic communications on this channel.

Those wishing to provide their comments to Industry Canada are asked to do so in the following ways:


In electronic format (WordPerfect, MS Word or PDF) sent to spectrum.engineering@ic.gc.ca . RAC requests a copy of your comments also be sent to regulatory@rac.ca so that we may track response from amateur radio operators.
In written format by mail to Manager, Mobile Systems, Industry Canada, 300 Slater Street, 19th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0C8. RAC requests that if possible, a copy of written comments be faxed to RAC at 866-660-1187 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              866-660-1187     end_of_the_skype_highlighting so that we may track response from amateur radio operators. Please note that Industry Canada will not accept comments by fax.
Comments on these items must be received prior to June 12th. All comments will be posted publicly on the Industry Canada website after the consultation process closes.
The Radio Amateurs of Canada has been working to obtain permanent authorization for Canadian Amateurs on the 60 metre band since 2010. This consultation process represents one of the last steps in that work. Development Licenses continue to be available for those operators who wish to have temporary use of the five frequencies identified in Item One. There is a small cost for the development license. If you wish to obtain a temporary development license, please contact your local District Office of Industry Canada.
We thank Industry Canada and all respondents for their continued work to see the completion of the process to obtain permanent authorization. If you require help sending comments to Industry Canada or have additional questions for RAC on this or any other regulatory matter, please email regulatory@rac.ca
Bill Gade, VE4WO Regulatory Affairs Officer – Radio Amateurs of Canada
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Vernon Ikeda – VE2MBS/VE2QQ Pointe-Claire, Québec RAC Blog Editor/RAC E-News/Web News Bulletin Editor
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60m NEWS FROM RAC

May 11, 2012

The following arrived in my inbox from Bill Unger VE3XT who is the RAC Director for North and East Ontario…

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Special North East Ontario Regional Directors Report

Finally after a two year wait from Industry Canada they have Gazetted the request from Radio Amateurs of Canada for access to 60M.

Here is the link to the gazette item:

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2012/2012-05-12/html/notice-avis-eng.html#d108

This has been a long hard go and has taken a lot of time and effort on the part of Radio Amateurs of Canada on behalf of all Canadian Amateurs.

I would encourage you all to submit a positive comment on this proposal in the format required.

Watch for an official RAC bulletin on this very shortly with further analysis.

If you have any questions or concerns please email me at ve3xt@rac.ca.

Bill VE3XT

North East Ontario Regional Director

Radio Amateurs of Canada

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If you have any comments/questions please contact Bill via email at his above address…

60m comment from RAC

April 26, 2012

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This found its way into the comments of the recent blog posting about the 60m confusion….  I decided to keep it in comments but also post it here seeing that RAC took the time to address the issue…

The comments are cut and pasted here….

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Bill Gade / RAC Regulatory Affairs Says: April 26, 2012 at 4:23 am |

Hey guys, Just  a note on the conversation.  I’ve heard of a few district offices that don’t have all the details on how to issue the development license.  They are available however – if you still don’t have a favorable response – I’d gladly look into making sure they get some updated information on how to process your request.  

While I’ve been saying for a while the actual changes are coming – RAC has been given a date in the last few days for the beginning of the 30 day window before the rules can finally go into effect for everyone.

If I can be of help – send an email to me – the best address is regulatory@rac.ca

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So thanks to  Bill for looking into this matter and taking the time to comment on it…  and if this is your first visit here please don’t be a stranger…  If you have anything you want to share with the Amateur Radio Community send it to me in an email and I’ll cut and paste it into the Blog Posting giving you guest blogger status…

As Bill’s comment mentioned if you have any questions his email address is given above…

Thanks again Bill for taking the time to share the power with us

73bob

60m Confusion…

April 26, 2012

Well this one is hard to believe and I thought I’ve heard them all…

Let me take you back to my posting of April 5th which asked some questions about the 60m band…

From then we progress to my posting of April 11th which I thought answered all the questions…

I thought the email reply from was very clear…

Good  afternoon Mr. Sharp:

Thank you for your query regarding the  licensing of Developmental Radio Stations utilizing frequencies within the 60  metre radio frequency band in Canada.

In the near future Industry Canada will  be publishing a consultation paper on the opening of the 60 metre band for use  by the Canadian Amateur Radio Service.

Favourable responses to the  consultation would allow radio amateurs access to 5 specific frequencies within  the band with specific emissions designators and power levels on a secondary, no  protection, non-interference basis. This would be in line with what US amateurs  currently have access to.

At this time, the Department is  accepting applications for the use of these frequencies under the authority of a  Developmental Radio Licence. Applicants are required to submit an application  and to pay licensing fees in accordance with the Radiocommunication  Regulations.

An Amateur Radio Operator holding the  Basic + (with Honours) or the Advanced Certificate will be eligible for  licensing on these frequencies.

Application may be made by means of the  Industry Canada form, IC-2365, (Application for Licence to Install and Operate a  Radio Station in Canada) accompanied by form IC-2430, (Radiocommunication and  Broadcasting Antenna Systems Attestation) available at our website at, http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/h_sf01700.html#radiocom

The application must  include, the NAD 83 Coordinates and the street address of the proposed station.  The current licensing fee for the month of April is $52.80. (This fee is  pro-rated based on the month that the station is authorized within a given  year.) Immediate payment may be made by telephone by means of VISA or  MASTERCARD.

Authority will be on a non-interference  and no-protection basis and shall not cause interference to the fixed and mobile  operations domestically or of other administrations and if such interference  occurs, the operator may be required to cease operations.

The developmental authority will  be restricted to the use of 5 specific frequencies with no antenna or height  restrictions.

The operating frequencies will be:  5.332 5.348 5.3585 5.373 5.405 (MHz)

Authority will be subject to the  following conditions:

- Transmissions must not exceed an  effective radiated power of 100 Watts (PEP)

- Transmissions shall be restricted to  the following emission modes and designations: 2K80JE3, 2K80J2D, 60H0J2B and  150HA1A

- Transmissions shall not occupy more  than 2.8 kHz (centered on each frequency)

- Operators shall not cause  interference to fixed and mobile operations domestically or of other  administrations

(if such interference occurs, the  operator may be required to cease operations.)

- Operators may not claim protection  from interference by fixed and mobile operations domestically or of other  administrations

- The authority may be withdrawn at any  time by the Department

Applications may be submitted to your  local district office which is at spectrum.ottawa@ic.gc.ca.

Regards,

Sylvia  Lamarche

Amateur Radio Service Centre | Centre de service pour la radio  amateur Spectrum  Management Operations Branch | Direction général des opérations de la gestion du  spectre Industry  Canada | Industrie Canada

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Well at the time it seemed clear enough to me….

But this evening I ask you to look at the comment and check the comment from Darrin who was told the following from his IC office… any you can find this in the comments section on this post

But here is the tread so you don’t have to hop around the blog…

Darren Says: April 11, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Reply   edit

Hi Bob… I telephoned the nearest IC office right after reading the RAC bulletin, and the Radio Inspector I spoke to was really nice, but knew almost nothing about the subject. He did email a link to the application form (Form IC-2365). I have since filled it out and mailed it in but as of yet no response. As soon as I hear more I will post. 73, Darren VE7VG

  • VA3QV Says: April 12, 2012 at 2:34 am | Reply   editHi Darren, Thanks for the comments and the visit…I emailed IC on Thursday and got a reply Tues pm.  Check out  http://va3qv.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/some-info-from-industry-canada-on-the-60m-developmental-band/for their reply…73bob
  • Darren Says: April 25, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Reply   editWell, I got my response from Industry Canada in the form of an email:Good Morning Darren,This email is in response to the Fixed Radio Station application form  submitted to Industry Canada, requesting the establishment of a new base station using the 5 MHz band.

    As an advanced amateur,  you should be aware of the bands that Canadian Amateurs are permitted to operate in. The permitted  frequency bands are described in our publication  RBR-4  Standards for the Operation of  Radio Stations in the Amateur Radio Service.

    As an Advanced Amateur, you are permitted to operate in many low frequency bands. ( 3.5 to 4.0 MHz for example).  But 5 MHz is not part of those bands.

    LINK to RBR-4:  http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf01226.html

    The 5 MHz. band is allocated to Private Commercial radio services, which require a private commercial radio station licencing.

    This is a licenced band used for narrowband voice communications, primarily, using 2.8 kHz emissions. It is not an experimental band.

    The  5 MHz band is not part of the Amateur Radio spectrum.   Therefore your application must be denied.

    If you should have any additional questions or concerns, please fee free to email Shaun Morgan at:    shaun.morgan@ic.gc.ca

    Or telephone  250-363-3597 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              250-363-3597     end_of_the_skype_highlighting.

    Sincerely,

    Shaun Morgan

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So there you have it…  I’m not sure who to believe… Shaun or Sylvia…  Personally I’m hoping for Sylvia as it give us what we want….

I am confused by the fact that two different I-C offices have such a different view of the rules and regulations… 

At this point I’m not sure but either way I am still waiting to find out how I program the corrected 60m frequencies in my FT450 and FT897 and hopefully by the time I get that done perhaps Industry Canada might have got this figured out…

73bob

ps…. has anyone else actually gotten their 60m license yet????  Let me know

Some info from Industry Canada on the 60m “Developmental” Band

April 11, 2012

After last weeks announcement and subsequent RAC Bulletin on the topic I sent an email out to Industry Canada asking them for the correct information on the topic.

Today in my inbox came the following:

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Good  afternoon Mr. Sharp:

Thank you for your query regarding the  licensing of Developmental Radio Stations utilizing frequencies within the 60  metre radio frequency band in Canada.

In the near future Industry Canada will  be publishing a consultation paper on the opening of the 60 metre band for use  by the Canadian Amateur Radio Service.

Favourable responses to the  consultation would allow radio amateurs access to 5 specific frequencies within  the band with specific emissions designators and power levels on a secondary, no  protection, non-interference basis. This would be in line with what US amateurs  currently have access to.

At this time, the Department is  accepting applications for the use of these frequencies under the authority of a  Developmental Radio Licence. Applicants are required to submit an application  and to pay licensing fees in accordance with the Radiocommunication  Regulations.

An Amateur Radio Operator holding the  Basic + (with Honours) or the Advanced Certificate will be eligible for  licensing on these frequencies.

Application may be made by means of the  Industry Canada form, IC-2365, (Application for Licence to Install and Operate a  Radio Station in Canada) accompanied by form IC-2430, (Radiocommunication and  Broadcasting Antenna Systems Attestation) available at our website at, http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/h_sf01700.html#radiocom

The application must  include, the NAD 83 Coordinates and the street address of the proposed station.  The current licensing fee for the month of April is $52.80. (This fee is  pro-rated based on the month that the station is authorized within a given  year.) Immediate payment may be made by telephone by means of VISA or  MASTERCARD.

Authority will be on a non-interference  and no-protection basis and shall not cause interference to the fixed and mobile  operations domestically or of other administrations and if such interference  occurs, the operator may be required to cease operations.

The developmental authority will  be restricted to the use of 5 specific frequencies with no antenna or height  restrictions.

The operating frequencies will be:  5.332 5.348 5.3585 5.373 5.405 (MHz)

Authority will be subject to the  following conditions:

- Transmissions must not exceed an  effective radiated power of 100 Watts (PEP)

- Transmissions shall be restricted to  the following emission modes and designations: 2K80JE3, 2K80J2D, 60H0J2B and  150HA1A

- Transmissions shall not occupy more  than 2.8 kHz (centered on each frequency)

- Operators shall not cause  interference to fixed and mobile operations domestically or of other  administrations

(if such interference occurs, the  operator may be required to cease operations.)

- Operators may not claim protection  from interference by fixed and mobile operations domestically or of other  administrations

- The authority may be withdrawn at any  time by the Department

Applications may be submitted to your  local district office which is at spectrum.ottawa@ic.gc.ca.

Regards,

Sylvia  Lamarche

Amateur Radio Service Centre | Centre de service pour la radio  amateur Spectrum  Management Operations Branch | Direction général des opérations de la gestion du  spectre Industry  Canada | Industrie Canada

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So there you have it….  Quick and easy and to the point…  Spelled out so easily that even I understand it…

If you want the operating privs and you meet the requirement (current Canadian HF Privs) then you can apply for the Developmental License to operate on 60m.  Eventually we all will be allowed there but if you want to get a head start you know what to do…

In my case my FT450 and FT897 need to get the frequencies programmed in as their 60m freqs are from before the USA changed the allotment.  I understand there is a fix coming soon from Yaesu.  My FT817 was the orignal version and does not come with 60m other than the Alaska Emergency Frequency so I don’t see any 60m portable work happening till I get a new radio.  However with everyone flogging their portable rigs to get the $$$ for a KX3 perhaps it might be sooner than later for me…

73bob

 

Big Pile up on 60m

April 3, 2012

Its hard to believe that a Canadian Callsign could cause such a large pile up…  But when that Canadian Station is VX9GHD which is the only Canadian Station authorised to operate on 60m…  well you can imagine…  If the band cooperates I expect that Russ VE3FI/VX9GHD should have his 60m WAS in a day or so…

Just to jog your memory here is my previous post on the topic from yesterday

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Congrats go out to Russ VX9GHD / VE3FI for being being awarded a “Developmental Licence” for operations in the 5 meg (60m band)

I quote the following from the QRZ.com page for VX9GHD:

As of April 2,  I am the first in Canada to receive from Industry Canada authorization to use the new development license in the 5 meg band, VX9GHD.  This license is good for one year and then is becomes the new band for Canada,  I can immediately transmit to other CAnadian , American or British Isles amateurs that are allowed to use this band.   Amateurs in Canada have been waiting for 3 years for this band to be opened up for development usage.

My other call sign is VE3FI 

Looks like we have one year to wait before the band opens up to the rest of us…Hope the experiments go well…

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Well so far it looks like things are going quite well…

Congrats again Russ

73bob


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